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Double Walls
This video details a variation of double wall construction which has evolved in Fairbanks, Alaska to increase home energy efficiency.
In all three of Alaska’s climate zones, residential building codes mandate the use of a 6 mil polyethylene vapor retarder. Since this vapor retarder also serves as a home’s primary air barrier/pressure boundary, it should be installed as airtight as possible to prevent excessive air leakage and moisture movement into exterior wall and roof assemblies during Alaska’s extended heating seasons. In a generic double wall system, however, wiring and electrical outlets still penetrate the vapor retarder, and thus require additional air sealing measures to reduce air leakage through and around these penetrations. The double wall system described here utilizes an outer 2x6 wall and an inner 2x4 wall, with a continuous layer of 2” foam board separating the two walls. The vapor retarder is located behind the inner (2x4) wall and is located directly over the layer of 2” foam board, where it remains intact and protected.
The layer of foam board serves as backing for the vapor retarder and also provides a robust thermal break for the 2x6 exterior wall, elevating the r-value of the outer (cold-in-winter) side of the vapor retarder to a minimum of R-30. This allows the inner 2x4 wall on the inner (warm-in-winter) side to be fully insulated with fibrous insulations and remain safely above the dew point. Electrical outlets, ducting, plumbing, etc. can all be installed conventionally inside the 2x4 wall and remain protected from freezing. This insulation technique substantially increases thermal efficiency, bringing the total wall R-value over 40.
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КОМЕНТАРІ

  •  4 години тому

    Make the walls 16’ thick use all the window ledges as a bed n heat ur home with a candle 😂

  • @davidlarsen2184
    @davidlarsen2184 19 годин тому

    Why are there doubled up studs on the inside side of thw double wall, Isn't the inside wall just holding up the drywall?

  • @tom6225
    @tom6225 20 годин тому

    Then you lose it all in the windows

  • @gregcharland
    @gregcharland 2 дні тому

    Shouldn't there be a Tyvek type of building wrap material attach to the underside of the floor framing and sheathing to stop the wind from entering the fiberglass insulation?

  • @edmiller9453
    @edmiller9453 2 дні тому

    Does no one offset the studs from the outer wall to inner wall anymore? That's how I learned to build double walls so insulation overlaps, rather than have insulation aps wherleaving insulation gaps where studs are.

  • @byronn.2885
    @byronn.2885 2 дні тому

    My understanding was that the rigid foam is a vapor barrier providing that all seams/edges are taped properly. This all seems very redundant. Having done a similar construction on my pole barn shop if I could do it over I would have used more foam board or a few inches of closed cell spray foam and skipped the fiberglass bats.

  • @NikeMikey101
    @NikeMikey101 2 дні тому

    Moving to a mild climate fixed 99% of my insulation problems

    • @UneducatedGeologist
      @UneducatedGeologist 2 дні тому

      Haha

    • @rattlecat5968
      @rattlecat5968 2 дні тому

      Yeah, I suppose that's an option, too. But, with the climate changing as it has been, those "milder" climates are becoming *HOTTER* climates... and I run my air conditioners 5 months out of the year in zone 4 as it is. 🥵 Insulating provides energy savings whether it's keeping the house warmer or cooler.

    • @mattwaters6987
      @mattwaters6987 2 дні тому

      No doubt eh! 😂

    • @eprofessio
      @eprofessio День тому

      I run my ac year round.

  • @kellymoses8566
    @kellymoses8566 3 дні тому

    The government should subsidize VIPs to price parity with regular insulation. Every house could have R60 or R120 walls.

  • @jasonbroom7147
    @jasonbroom7147 3 дні тому

    We just had a pole barn built in northern Michigan. It has R7.5 foam board insulating all of the bents, then a 2x4 wall built inside of the barn walls, with an inch and a half off-set between them, allowing conventional R19 insulation to be installed. This created R26 walls and made running electrical wires quite easy, as shown in this video.

  • @loridave1962
    @loridave1962 3 дні тому

    Regarding the exhaust fan. So it’s reducing the pressure in the crawl. Where don’t think the make up air is coming from? And what is the relative humidity of that make up air? The answer will vary from house to house I realize. Folks, much heavier material is available than 6 mil visqueen. I suggest using as thick a material as u can afford.

  • @loridave1962
    @loridave1962 3 дні тому

    Good content. Your vid is perhaps to educate people who have potential to improve their house air and comfort. The vid also shows places for a builder to target as they do new construction. Thx.

  • @John-bx6if
    @John-bx6if 4 дні тому

    Guys...move the foam board to the outside of the 2x6 wall then seal. Then fill the cavity. More bang for your buck when you don't let the air in.

  • @MisHuKtine
    @MisHuKtine 4 дні тому

    You could have a higher yield if you used sand instead of water, as heat storage

  • @matthewambler2685
    @matthewambler2685 4 дні тому

    Built my house exterior walls exactly like this 14 years ago. Along with R60 in the ceiling I'm very happy with the cold weather performance. An added bonus is the walls are almost totally soundproof.

  • @ryansoo4000
    @ryansoo4000 4 дні тому

    Hello, great video! I have to put a tub/shower unit on an exterior corner in a cold climate (6B). From the outside in, I was thinking 2x6 exterior wall studs, cavities filled with Roxul Comfortbatt and then using 5/8" paperless drywall from floor to ceiling (sealed at the edges to the floor and ceiling). Then I want to build a second interior wall with 2x3's, a layer of Membrain and then cement board from floor to ceiling around the tub/shower enclosure (sealed at the edges to the floor and ceiling) Finally I would install the tub/shower within this second, interior wall (walls above the tub are tiled). Would you recommend any changes to this design? Thanks for your help!

  • @superspeeder
    @superspeeder 5 днів тому

    Glad to see you mention keeping the vapor retarder above the dewpoint. If you haven’t already, a dedicated video on how to determine that is in order. 😉

  • @Craig-qx7uy
    @Craig-qx7uy 5 днів тому

    If it’s good enough to keep my coffee warm it’s good enough for my house.

    • @1AlexanderCole
      @1AlexanderCole 5 днів тому

      Can you imagine having ceramic insulated walls?!?! That would be awesome!

  • @rod8995
    @rod8995 5 днів тому

    A well insulated, tight system is great. Adequately addressing indoor air quality and moisture levels on the inside are essential to completing this system. Recently inspected a very tight building with an HRV that had failed years prior and it was pretty destructive.

  • @X2Xbeyond
    @X2Xbeyond 6 днів тому

    I used this exact system on my studio remodel 5 years ago and have been very satisfied with the performance.

  • @anthonyhitchings1051
    @anthonyhitchings1051 6 днів тому

    Double walls are real gold if you live by a freeway.

  • @jl9678
    @jl9678 6 днів тому

    But what's the r value of the windows? R4?

    • @md-yc4sx
      @md-yc4sx 6 днів тому

      what are you proposing? No windows?

    • @superspeeder
      @superspeeder 5 днів тому

      The windows only practically need to be good enough to avoid condensation. Keep them a reasonable size and it is what it is. Agreed though; once you’re into an R40 wall your next step is better windows and doors, not more wall insulation.

  • @ateamofone
    @ateamofone 6 днів тому

    Why dont they double up on windows. There is plenty of room to fit another window with the existing windows. You can double the R value in the windows.

    • @md-yc4sx
      @md-yc4sx 6 днів тому

      This would be absurd cost for little benefit. Triple pane windows (R7-8)are >40$ per sq ft. R21 insulation is 0.60$ per sq ft.

  • @chrisdaniel1339
    @chrisdaniel1339 6 днів тому

    Why not just use 2x12s as wall studs/framing lumber? Two applications of 5.75" of closed cell spray foam are sprayed in the bays, with a couple weeks in-between applications to allow curing/off gassing of the foam. This way you end up with an air tight, R-80.5 wall. There is no reason to make building in cold climates more complex than it needs to be.

    • @ProleDaddy
      @ProleDaddy 6 днів тому

      While a fantastic sounding idea, that also sounds like the most expensive residential home wall design ever.

    • @chrisdaniel1339
      @chrisdaniel1339 6 днів тому

      @@ProleDaddy It would be more certainly cost more to have such a heavily insulated wall, but having an R-80 wall means you can significantly size down both heating and if installed cooling equipment and there would be significant savings over the life of the home in heat fuel costs and electricity if air con is installed. I would rather pay more upfront and have a short payback period and then have minimal energy costs for the life of the home. Personally I would have a micohydro or solar system and again because of the high R value the hydro or solar system does not to be as large as a lesser insulated home saving money. I would also have a wood stove as a redundant heat source incase of a power loss or generator failure, but also because firewood is not traded on Wall St and can be cut and split off ones own property thus no government or corporate BS artificially inflating prices

    • @branch_ranch
      @branch_ranch 3 дні тому

      The 2x12s would be a thermal bridge as well as being very expensive. You could get the same R value with a double 2x4 wall with a 4" gap in between and it would be cheaper!

  •  6 днів тому

    Let’s just make the wall 8’ thick that’ll solve everything 🙄 KISS!

  • @guytech7310
    @guytech7310 6 днів тому

    Better option is exterior rigid foam insulation which solves most of the condensation issues, cheaper & easier to install than double wall framing. I live in the south east US, & my walls are about R-33 with 2x6 24 oc framing & exterior foam insulation. I don't like to use vapor retarders as I believe it does not really work & leads to moisture build up. Joe Lstiburek (Building Science Corp) has several video presentations on the topic with double wall construction as well as moisture build up with vapor retarders. I recommend watching his "perfect Wall" presentations. Vapor barriers don't really work well as they get full of holes for utilties (plumbing, electrical, HVAC) as well as drywall screws. The best option for air sealing is the ZIP system that is fully taped & nail holes caulked on the exterior side, and caulking on the inside of the stud bays as well as sealing any wall pentrations with caulk, or other sealing products. Even with the 2/4 wall for utilities, you can bet a contractor is going to rip a hole in the vapor barrier whiling doing his installation work.

  • @snowgorilla9789
    @snowgorilla9789 6 днів тому

    Could not see how the 2x4s are attached to the 2x6s ? Or maybe they are not, as to not penetrate vapour barrier? Love the system has it been around enough for a time/function test?

    • @davel4708
      @davel4708 5 днів тому

      My guess is they don't need to connect the two walls, other than where they meet the windows and possibly at the corners. Looks like a pretty well thought out system to me. If it didn't work you'd find out pretty quickly in a place like Alaska.

  • @jake10373
    @jake10373 6 днів тому

    Very interesting!

  • @59seank
    @59seank 6 днів тому

    Would this work in Zone 5 or 6?

    • @Sekir80
      @Sekir80 6 днів тому

      I believe insulation works everywhere. Maybe your heating bill will be too low, though. ;)

    • @martinroncetti4134
      @martinroncetti4134 4 дні тому

      I believe that it would work anywhere; insulation can keep heat in or out.

    • @rattlecat5968
      @rattlecat5968 2 дні тому

      🤭 Of course, silly 😉

    • @59seank
      @59seank 2 дні тому

      One reason we design walls differently for different climate zones is that we want to prevent moisture from rotting out our walls. A wall that works well in Miami may not work well in Chicago. There is a whole science to designing walls and complex computer programs to model the movement of moisture and vapor and the potential for condensation. How you layer the different parts of the wall (insulation, vapor barrier, sheathing, etc.) is important. How much insulation and where it is placed is also important. The wall design in this video is new to me and I don't know how well it would work in my climate zone.

  • @offgridwanabe
    @offgridwanabe 6 днів тому

    Wall insulation and a air tight seal is still the best in my book and the wiring is way easier.

  • @markfredericks9892
    @markfredericks9892 6 днів тому

    Nice wall system! What happens to the foam/vapour barrier at the top and bottom plates, or where the walls meet a roof or floor?

  • @danielbeckner5702
    @danielbeckner5702 8 днів тому

    Thanks for your video.

  • @fluxpistol3608
    @fluxpistol3608 9 днів тому

    That's some good satire

  • @Memry-Man
    @Memry-Man 15 днів тому

    Wallie noooo 😂

  • @bikeroam
    @bikeroam 24 дні тому

    I was surprised to see it not get plumbed before you put the top ply on. Will this building get plumbed after?

  • @StewartChaimson
    @StewartChaimson 28 днів тому

    I'm curious about the two methods, the insulated steel tank, and the insulated box under your house. Would it not be feasible to make a large version of the insulated box rather than the tank? How about this, a 20' x 10' x 10' hole in the ground, line it with pond-liner material to keep water out, then line it with hard foam insulation, then rebar and concrete like a swimming pool? I have not thought through how to cover it but some kind of ridge frame, then foam, then a sheet of pond liner. Would all that be more expensive than the tank?

  • @supersasquatch
    @supersasquatch Місяць тому

    Would it work to use adjustable jacks to lift and level a concrete slab foundation

  • @Bebeborgeous
    @Bebeborgeous Місяць тому

    This is how the blocks were MADE for the pyramids. They weren't hauled or moved or quarried. They were made with geopolymers and poured where they exactly are

  • @Whosurdaddy71
    @Whosurdaddy71 Місяць тому

    Chalk line for furring? Is this 1970? Laser levels are cheap 😂

  • @dolmarf411
    @dolmarf411 Місяць тому

    thats not 10.000 pounds.... 2000 max.

  • @ryansoo4000
    @ryansoo4000 Місяць тому

    Have you read Dr. Joe Lstiburek's article with the Building Science Corporation' on spray foam called "Snap, Crackle and Pop Goes the Spray Foam"? You can find it on Google by looking for Insight BSI-143.

  • @elendil354
    @elendil354 Місяць тому

    Grreat explanation. Always have more airtightness on the warm side than the cold side!

  • @ryantaylor761
    @ryantaylor761 Місяць тому

    Another great video, I hope you keep sharing. Thankyou 😊

  • @LuminairPrime
    @LuminairPrime Місяць тому

    EXCELLENT concise video explaining the danger of having the wrong type and size of insulation combined with the wrong types of vapor barriers! You could accidentally turn your house into a giant dehumidifier, with a dangerous dew point causing lots of condensation!!!

  • @wtseak
    @wtseak Місяць тому

    Please read the video description for further information. Thank you. -Ilya

  • @DavidSchutt1
    @DavidSchutt1 Місяць тому

    Wow! That's helpful for me! Thanks for sharing this idea!

  • @ryansoo4000
    @ryansoo4000 2 місяці тому

    Does the piece of rigid insulation go all the way to the exterior sheathing or is there loose fill insulation behind it?

  • @ryansoo4000
    @ryansoo4000 2 місяці тому

    By adding rigid insulation to the interior do you run the risk of decreasing the walls drying potential?

    • @IlyaBenesch
      @IlyaBenesch Місяць тому

      The theory behind this is that the wall can still dry to the exterior. That pretty much applies to all the conventional walls we build in Alaska that have the 6 mil poly vapor retarder in front of the studs. The key here is that 1-1/2" of foam board does not cool the surface of the vapor retarder enough that it will attract condensation. In climate zone 8 we keep the amount of insulation on the warm side of the vapor retarder to no more than 1/3 of total wall r-value. - and in cases like this I'd prefer closer to 25% of total wall r-value in the furring as with fiberglass batts, there can still be cold spots in the framing that will attract condensation otherwise. So for an R-21 insulated wall like this one - R-6 in foam board does well in zone 8 and lower.

    • @ryansoo4000
      @ryansoo4000 Місяць тому

      @@IlyaBenesch Thanks for your reply. You should do a follow-up video on the drying potential . As to other conventional walls built in Alaska, why wouldn't they use something more vapor permeable for the vapor retarder, like Membrain, instead of poly? Also, I guess the interior rigid insulation method would only work well if they didn't use rigid insulation on the exterior of the sheathing, otherwise you'd create a foam "sandwich" that could trap moisture inside the wall cavity.

    • @IlyaBenesch
      @IlyaBenesch Місяць тому

      @@ryansoo4000 I think it is a matter of time before Membrain and other products make it to us here. It will need to get scrutinized by the various municipal code authorities and undergo a review process. Alaska does not have a unified state building code (yet) and the 6 mil poly vapor retarder is deeply entrenched in local codes. Because our heatflows and moisture movement are so dominantly from interior to exterior for much of the year, the poly works well here. It's not perfect....but it does work. All that said, I do think change is coming. Yes-the foam on the exterior with existing warm-side poly is a complex issue and requires me to be cautious.

  • @alaskacanoe6837
    @alaskacanoe6837 2 місяці тому

    Great idea that is easy to do and makes sense, is it ok to build single story structures on 24 inch walls vs 16”? Would that make it plenty strong yet less studs for thermal problems?

  • @superspeeder
    @superspeeder 2 місяці тому

    GREAT demonstration! Do you have recommendations for shallow electrical boxes designed to fit in the narrow furred-in service cavity?

    • @IlyaBenesch
      @IlyaBenesch Місяць тому

      The Raco 196 style is one used often here in Fairbanks. Most manufacturers have variations of this - Just make sure it has the raised boss in the box for the ground screw as that keeps the ground screw from puncturing the vapor retarder when it's tightened down. Usually they have tabs on the sides to ensure proper depth and support when mounting to furring. If the box needs more space then you can always go wider. For example a 2 gang or 4 gang box can still have a 1 gang mud ring for a single outlet and the rest of the space in the box provides space for additonal wiring junctions etc.

    • @superspeeder
      @superspeeder Місяць тому

      @@IlyaBenesch thanks for the tip!!!

  • @lukaspfitscher8737
    @lukaspfitscher8737 2 місяці тому

    how about putting it directly in the house